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	<title>Comments on: Gaia Flash Framework - My Experience</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jason Langdon</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrench.com.au/2008/07/22/gaia-flash-framework-my-experience/#comment-6591</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Langdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for letting us know about SOMA ( http://www.soundstep.com/blog/downloads/somaui/ ) I hadn't explored what it could do before, so good to know there's other ways of doing similar stuff to Gaia.

Not sure if you've seen this or not on the Gaia forums, but it's an Air app that helps with creating the initial structure of the site - http://www.gaiaflashframework.com/index.php/topic,1235.0.html It's not as feature rich as SOMAUI, but it definitely helps to get the job done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for letting us know about SOMA ( <a href="http://www.soundstep.com/blog/downloads/somaui/" rel="nofollow">http://www.soundstep.com/blog/downloads/somaui/</a> ) I hadn&#8217;t explored what it could do before, so good to know there&#8217;s other ways of doing similar stuff to Gaia.</p>
<p>Not sure if you&#8217;ve seen this or not on the Gaia forums, but it&#8217;s an Air app that helps with creating the initial structure of the site - <a href="http://www.gaiaflashframework.com/index.php/topic,1235.0.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.gaiaflashframework.com/index.php/topic,1235.0.html</a> It&#8217;s not as feature rich as SOMAUI, but it definitely helps to get the job done.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrench.com.au/2008/07/22/gaia-flash-framework-my-experience/#comment-6590</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, yeh you're probably right about that. Time I don't really have right now unforunately. On that note, have you ever checked out SOMA / SOMAUI? It looks very similar to GAIA though it's based on a slightly different concept / model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, yeh you&#8217;re probably right about that. Time I don&#8217;t really have right now unforunately. On that note, have you ever checked out SOMA / SOMAUI? It looks very similar to GAIA though it&#8217;s based on a slightly different concept / model.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Langdon</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrench.com.au/2008/07/22/gaia-flash-framework-my-experience/#comment-6589</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Langdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd suggest that creating a framework like Gaia would take a good SOLID couple of months of development time... possibly more.

The Framework isn't perfect for every Flash site, but it does lend itself to a structured way of building a complete Flash site. Plus you get the superb support that Steven Sacks offers on his forums, along with the rest of the growing Gaia community to help out when things go slightly pear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d suggest that creating a framework like Gaia would take a good SOLID couple of months of development time&#8230; possibly more.</p>
<p>The Framework isn&#8217;t perfect for every Flash site, but it does lend itself to a structured way of building a complete Flash site. Plus you get the superb support that Steven Sacks offers on his forums, along with the rest of the growing Gaia community to help out when things go slightly pear.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrench.com.au/2008/07/22/gaia-flash-framework-my-experience/#comment-6587</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jason, ah ok =) I am definitely onto AS3 now, though my website to which you refer was done in AS2. I like the functionality of GAIA from what I've seen and many rave about it. I'm still undecisive on whether to always use it though. I guess I am one of those ppl that would rather develop their own framework from scratch rather than rely on 3rd party structures/concepts... i dunno =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jason, ah ok =) I am definitely onto AS3 now, though my website to which you refer was done in AS2. I like the functionality of GAIA from what I&#8217;ve seen and many rave about it. I&#8217;m still undecisive on whether to always use it though. I guess I am one of those ppl that would rather develop their own framework from scratch rather than rely on 3rd party structures/concepts&#8230; i dunno =)</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Langdon</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrench.com.au/2008/07/22/gaia-flash-framework-my-experience/#comment-6586</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Langdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ryan - Well my thoughts on AS3 are, what the hell was I doing using AS2 for so long! My thoughts on Gaia are, what the hell was I doing not using it for so long! So I'm a pretty big AS3/Gaia convert now - trying to code up a few more sites in at the moment. Great photos on your site BTW - did you knock that site up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ryan - Well my thoughts on AS3 are, what the hell was I doing using AS2 for so long! My thoughts on Gaia are, what the hell was I doing not using it for so long! So I&#8217;m a pretty big AS3/Gaia convert now - trying to code up a few more sites in at the moment. Great photos on your site BTW - did you knock that site up?</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrench.com.au/2008/07/22/gaia-flash-framework-my-experience/#comment-6585</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jason,

So what are your thoughts now on AS3/GAIA etc? Are you using the GAIA framework for much of your work or have you developed your own framework?

Cheers
Ryan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jason,</p>
<p>So what are your thoughts now on AS3/GAIA etc? Are you using the GAIA framework for much of your work or have you developed your own framework?</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Ryan</p>
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		<title>By: Sagar</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrench.com.au/2008/07/22/gaia-flash-framework-my-experience/#comment-6549</link>
		<dc:creator>Sagar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a java developer &#38; learning flash.

 Is there anyway I can Just add a page node in site.XML to a simple swf &#38; do not compile whole thing. Will it work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a java developer &amp; learning flash.</p>
<p> Is there anyway I can Just add a page node in site.XML to a simple swf &amp; do not compile whole thing. Will it work?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrench.com.au/2008/07/22/gaia-flash-framework-my-experience/#comment-6336</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was under the impression that using an asset as a page would remove the default (inherited) deep link ability along with the normal transitionIn, transitionOut, beforeGoto etc events and the goto method wouldn't work either? To be honest the transition engine wasn't really what I was concerned about when I've seen assets being implemented as pages.

I think as a proof of concept I will take my existing and still under development AS2 website and give it the good 'ol Gaia treatment. I'll be sure to post what I find either here, and or on the Gaia forums.

Thanks again Steven, you're commitment to the Framework and to those having issues is un-freaking-believable :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was under the impression that using an asset as a page would remove the default (inherited) deep link ability along with the normal transitionIn, transitionOut, beforeGoto etc events and the goto method wouldn&#8217;t work either? To be honest the transition engine wasn&#8217;t really what I was concerned about when I&#8217;ve seen assets being implemented as pages.</p>
<p>I think as a proof of concept I will take my existing and still under development AS2 website and give it the good &#8216;ol Gaia treatment. I&#8217;ll be sure to post what I find either here, and or on the Gaia forums.</p>
<p>Thanks again Steven, you&#8217;re commitment to the Framework and to those having issues is un-freaking-believable :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Sacks</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrench.com.au/2008/07/22/gaia-flash-framework-my-experience/#comment-6335</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Sacks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using assets as pages does not defeat the purpose of the framework if you only perceive the framework as being useful for managing transitions.  There are lots of other features Gaia has built-in that you can leverage.  Here are just a few:

It has a robust asset management system.
It has complete integration with SWFAddress through one method (goto).
It has an event based system that you can tap into for custom behavior.
It has a built-in multi-preloader with events, and you can have two different preloaders (one for pages one for assets) and they can be overridden at run-time as many times as you like.

There are a lot of great things in Gaia besides the transition engine.  If you think it's worth the effort to code your own sites that don't have page transition methodology but have the above functionality, that's cool.  

I use Gaia on any site that has multiple states and needs deeplinking, even if it's only one page (like Purus) because Gaia just makes it easy to do that stuff.  I don't use Gaia generally on single page sites with out multiple states unless I'm doing a lot of asset management, or I'll rip out the assets package and use it separately from Gaia (which is actually pretty easy to do).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using assets as pages does not defeat the purpose of the framework if you only perceive the framework as being useful for managing transitions.  There are lots of other features Gaia has built-in that you can leverage.  Here are just a few:</p>
<p>It has a robust asset management system.<br />
It has complete integration with SWFAddress through one method (goto).<br />
It has an event based system that you can tap into for custom behavior.<br />
It has a built-in multi-preloader with events, and you can have two different preloaders (one for pages one for assets) and they can be overridden at run-time as many times as you like.</p>
<p>There are a lot of great things in Gaia besides the transition engine.  If you think it&#8217;s worth the effort to code your own sites that don&#8217;t have page transition methodology but have the above functionality, that&#8217;s cool.  </p>
<p>I use Gaia on any site that has multiple states and needs deeplinking, even if it&#8217;s only one page (like Purus) because Gaia just makes it easy to do that stuff.  I don&#8217;t use Gaia generally on single page sites with out multiple states unless I&#8217;m doing a lot of asset management, or I&#8217;ll rip out the assets package and use it separately from Gaia (which is actually pretty easy to do).</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrench.com.au/2008/07/22/gaia-flash-framework-my-experience/#comment-6334</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright, so I posted some of my issues in the forum. At the time I was working incredibly long and late hours, and trying to communicate with the client back in Australia. There simply wasn't enough time to document everything in a forum post and wait for a reply (which was often prompt thanks SS ;-) Now things have settled down, I'm posting some more things on my blog, which at the moment is making me feel like I've done something wrong... 

The initial things I mentioned in this post aren't part of what I perceive to be the standard way Gaia is setup. Yes it can be made to operate in any way you can think of (just about) but you end up having to jump through more hoops some times than you would if you just coded it by hand. So I'm trying to illustrate what Gaia is good for, and perhaps what it's not so good for.

The ApplicationDomain took me about 14 hours to get sorted, so when you released version 2.2.3 and it instantly fixed the issue I was having (yes I was already using domain=current in the site.xml) I was very hesitant to upgrade from that point on. That's one of many issues I experienced, and you're right I didn't post them all in the forum as I simply didn't have enough time. I'll endeavour to go back over my notes and post some more on the Gaia forums in the forth coming days and weeks.

Using assets as pages is possible - but it kinda defeats the purpose of using the framework somewhat? It can be done, but at first glance (especially for someone new to both AS3 and Gaia) it looks like more work than just writing something from scratch that will do what you want. These aren't criticisms of the Framework (you've done and continue to do a phenomenal job with it) but simply a heads up for those that don't know much about it and happen to stumble upon this post.

As for Mr Hargrove's comments, at what stage did this deteriorate into a pissing contest...? Last time I checked this is my blog, and if I choose to illuminate passers by to my trials and tribulations using a certain framework I bloody well will. I really can't understand why you've got so up in arms about what I've posted.

Good day indeed (these sign offs are all very British, which for an Aussie is kinda amusing ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, so I posted some of my issues in the forum. At the time I was working incredibly long and late hours, and trying to communicate with the client back in Australia. There simply wasn&#8217;t enough time to document everything in a forum post and wait for a reply (which was often prompt thanks SS ;-) Now things have settled down, I&#8217;m posting some more things on my blog, which at the moment is making me feel like I&#8217;ve done something wrong&#8230; </p>
<p>The initial things I mentioned in this post aren&#8217;t part of what I perceive to be the standard way Gaia is setup. Yes it can be made to operate in any way you can think of (just about) but you end up having to jump through more hoops some times than you would if you just coded it by hand. So I&#8217;m trying to illustrate what Gaia is good for, and perhaps what it&#8217;s not so good for.</p>
<p>The ApplicationDomain took me about 14 hours to get sorted, so when you released version 2.2.3 and it instantly fixed the issue I was having (yes I was already using domain=current in the site.xml) I was very hesitant to upgrade from that point on. That&#8217;s one of many issues I experienced, and you&#8217;re right I didn&#8217;t post them all in the forum as I simply didn&#8217;t have enough time. I&#8217;ll endeavour to go back over my notes and post some more on the Gaia forums in the forth coming days and weeks.</p>
<p>Using assets as pages is possible - but it kinda defeats the purpose of using the framework somewhat? It can be done, but at first glance (especially for someone new to both AS3 and Gaia) it looks like more work than just writing something from scratch that will do what you want. These aren&#8217;t criticisms of the Framework (you&#8217;ve done and continue to do a phenomenal job with it) but simply a heads up for those that don&#8217;t know much about it and happen to stumble upon this post.</p>
<p>As for Mr Hargrove&#8217;s comments, at what stage did this deteriorate into a pissing contest&#8230;? Last time I checked this is my blog, and if I choose to illuminate passers by to my trials and tribulations using a certain framework I bloody well will. I really can&#8217;t understand why you&#8217;ve got so up in arms about what I&#8217;ve posted.</p>
<p>Good day indeed (these sign offs are all very British, which for an Aussie is kinda amusing ;-)</p>
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