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	<title>Comments on: Adobe and Microsoft are wasting my time</title>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrench.com.au/2007/08/13/adobe-and-microsoft-are-wasting-my-time/#comment-6282</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can certainly sympathize. I actually just ran into the same problem with cs3 not installing on win2k and the same motherboard. I have been looking for a solution, but nothing workable to date. Downgrading to Vista is not a option and I am looking at building a new system that would likely run it just fine, but I still would like to keep my older system intact and workable as a secondary workstation for minor work. I saw somewhere that you could modify the xml install files to get it to install on win2003 server and possibly the win xp 64 bit version, but I have not found a way of getting it to go to win 2k yet. 

Which is a shame, because to my thinking as a Adobe Certified Designer, Developer, etc.... I dislike being forced to "upgrade" my OS enough that it may end up loosing them my support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can certainly sympathize. I actually just ran into the same problem with cs3 not installing on win2k and the same motherboard. I have been looking for a solution, but nothing workable to date. Downgrading to Vista is not a option and I am looking at building a new system that would likely run it just fine, but I still would like to keep my older system intact and workable as a secondary workstation for minor work. I saw somewhere that you could modify the xml install files to get it to install on win2003 server and possibly the win xp 64 bit version, but I have not found a way of getting it to go to win 2k yet. </p>
<p>Which is a shame, because to my thinking as a Adobe Certified Designer, Developer, etc&#8230;. I dislike being forced to &#8220;upgrade&#8221; my OS enough that it may end up loosing them my support.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrench.com.au/2007/08/13/adobe-and-microsoft-are-wasting-my-time/#comment-6269</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@adam - yep, I've tried compatibility mode on various driver installs all with very little success. Things normally end in a BSOD.

@Jim - I'm at a bit of a juncture in my work life, which is causing me to stop and reassess which direction I'm headed. This is related to my computer upgrades as I'm holding out for the end of the year so I can buy a new laptop and work from that (whilst travelling). So upgrading CPU, memory (I actually did buy 2Gb of memory for my old NForce 2 motherboard and a new SATA HD) etc isn't really an option for me at the moment. I actually checked out your site and noticed there's some Flash/Flex jobs going... which are the types of things I'll be applying for in the next few months. Don't suppose you can put in a good word for me with management ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@adam - yep, I&#8217;ve tried compatibility mode on various driver installs all with very little success. Things normally end in a BSOD.</p>
<p>@Jim - I&#8217;m at a bit of a juncture in my work life, which is causing me to stop and reassess which direction I&#8217;m headed. This is related to my computer upgrades as I&#8217;m holding out for the end of the year so I can buy a new laptop and work from that (whilst travelling). So upgrading CPU, memory (I actually did buy 2Gb of memory for my old NForce 2 motherboard and a new SATA HD) etc isn&#8217;t really an option for me at the moment. I actually checked out your site and noticed there&#8217;s some Flash/Flex jobs going&#8230; which are the types of things I&#8217;ll be applying for in the next few months. Don&#8217;t suppose you can put in a good word for me with management ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Cheng</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrench.com.au/2007/08/13/adobe-and-microsoft-are-wasting-my-time/#comment-6268</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Cheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch!  That's some serious pain.  

I'd suggest making plans to update your system in any case if you're intending to move forward to CS3 and/or Flex Builder 3.  Speaking from personal experience, you'd be much happier if you have plenty of memory and a fast CPU (or two) under the hood whether you stick with Windows 2000, Vista or make the move to OS X.

My company pulled the proverbial pin about a year ago and migrated entirely to Mac Books and Mac Book Pros for day-to-day usage.  While they weren't particularly inexpensive relative to comparable PCs, it's definitely been a boon for us developers, as the combination of Unix and virtualized Windows XP lets us run practically anything on a single machine (e.g. X11 applications, Visual Studio, Windows-only Office apps like Visio and Project). 

Personally, I've had no trouble installing and using CS3 and Flex Builder on my MBP, and I must say that my system is quite a bit more stable compared to my old Windows box.  And lastly, it's certainly nice to not have to dig through boxes of CDs looking for drivers just to use the machine's built-in video card, camera, trackpad and keyboard when you need to reinstall from scratch.

Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch!  That&#8217;s some serious pain.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest making plans to update your system in any case if you&#8217;re intending to move forward to CS3 and/or Flex Builder 3.  Speaking from personal experience, you&#8217;d be much happier if you have plenty of memory and a fast CPU (or two) under the hood whether you stick with Windows 2000, Vista or make the move to OS X.</p>
<p>My company pulled the proverbial pin about a year ago and migrated entirely to Mac Books and Mac Book Pros for day-to-day usage.  While they weren&#8217;t particularly inexpensive relative to comparable PCs, it&#8217;s definitely been a boon for us developers, as the combination of Unix and virtualized Windows XP lets us run practically anything on a single machine (e.g. X11 applications, Visual Studio, Windows-only Office apps like Visio and Project). </p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;ve had no trouble installing and using CS3 and Flex Builder on my MBP, and I must say that my system is quite a bit more stable compared to my old Windows box.  And lastly, it&#8217;s certainly nice to not have to dig through boxes of CDs looking for drivers just to use the machine&#8217;s built-in video card, camera, trackpad and keyboard when you need to reinstall from scratch.</p>
<p>Jim</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrench.com.au/2007/08/13/adobe-and-microsoft-are-wasting-my-time/#comment-6267</link>
		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't notice if you'd tried compatibility mode for any of the software you're having issues with? It helps with quite a few things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t notice if you&#8217;d tried compatibility mode for any of the software you&#8217;re having issues with? It helps with quite a few things.</p>
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		<title>By: Merick</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrench.com.au/2007/08/13/adobe-and-microsoft-are-wasting-my-time/#comment-6266</link>
		<dc:creator>Merick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MaxiVista is so cool that I have decided to keep that rather than to upgrade to Windows Vista yet. They said that they are working on a WDDM capable version.

By the way, MaxiVista launched in 2003, way ahead of Windows Vista being announced so you can't blame them for the name ;-)

Merick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MaxiVista is so cool that I have decided to keep that rather than to upgrade to Windows Vista yet. They said that they are working on a WDDM capable version.</p>
<p>By the way, MaxiVista launched in 2003, way ahead of Windows Vista being announced so you can&#8217;t blame them for the name ;-)</p>
<p>Merick</p>
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		<title>By: josh chernoff</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrench.com.au/2007/08/13/adobe-and-microsoft-are-wasting-my-time/#comment-6265</link>
		<dc:creator>josh chernoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/
this shows that there is really no good reason if it comes to performance to upgrade to vista.

I did the upgrade and it's nothing but a slow OS. 

ps: my spect are not too bad by thew way
cpu AMD dual core 3800+ with 2 gig's of ddr2 533mgz ram with a nvidia pcie 7600gt ddr3 256mb video card and it feels like I' on a p3 with 256 pc100 with win 95.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/</a><br />
this shows that there is really no good reason if it comes to performance to upgrade to vista.</p>
<p>I did the upgrade and it&#8217;s nothing but a slow OS. </p>
<p>ps: my spect are not too bad by thew way<br />
cpu AMD dual core 3800+ with 2 gig&#8217;s of ddr2 533mgz ram with a nvidia pcie 7600gt ddr3 256mb video card and it feels like I&#8217; on a p3 with 256 pc100 with win 95.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrench.com.au/2007/08/13/adobe-and-microsoft-are-wasting-my-time/#comment-6264</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael - I tried that, but would you believe you needed to have XP to use it! lol

And before anyone asks, I bought XP (about three years ago ) and took it back. Didn't do anything for me so I decided to stay with W2K.

I'd be pretty keen to try out a Mac Book Pro... and am aware of the forth coming update to OS X.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael - I tried that, but would you believe you needed to have XP to use it! lol</p>
<p>And before anyone asks, I bought XP (about three years ago ) and took it back. Didn&#8217;t do anything for me so I decided to stay with W2K.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be pretty keen to try out a Mac Book Pro&#8230; and am aware of the forth coming update to OS X.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Long</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrench.com.au/2007/08/13/adobe-and-microsoft-are-wasting-my-time/#comment-6263</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"which doesn’t work on Windows 2000"

So a Vista install doesn't work on a machine old enough to be a W2K box? Huh. Isn't there a test program you can run that checks for compatibility first?

BTW, OS X "Leopard" states compatibility from G3 to Xeon, or pretty much any relatively modern Mac desktop or notebook, PowerPC or Intel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;which doesn’t work on Windows 2000&#8243;</p>
<p>So a Vista install doesn&#8217;t work on a machine old enough to be a W2K box? Huh. Isn&#8217;t there a test program you can run that checks for compatibility first?</p>
<p>BTW, OS X &#8220;Leopard&#8221; states compatibility from G3 to Xeon, or pretty much any relatively modern Mac desktop or notebook, PowerPC or Intel.</p>
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		<title>By: Shan</title>
		<link>http://blog.wrench.com.au/2007/08/13/adobe-and-microsoft-are-wasting-my-time/#comment-6262</link>
		<dc:creator>Shan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 05:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was surprised when some of the CS3 suite wasn't supported on 2003 Server. How lame.

I've also had problems with Vista on newer hardware... The same weak driver support, applications crashing that don't on XP or OS X, and lots of file system issues, including performance problems and data corruption. It's no wonder that today news broke that Microsoft had to generate more XP product keys due to steady demand for anything not Vista. Combine that with the Direct X 10.1 rumors that all that brand-new super-expensive Direct X 10.0 hardware won't support all of 10.1's features, and I think it's safe to say Microsoft is pulling some pretty boneheaded moves lately.

I'll be glad when I have my MacBook Pro and will be (mostly) done with this OS :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was surprised when some of the CS3 suite wasn&#8217;t supported on 2003 Server. How lame.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also had problems with Vista on newer hardware&#8230; The same weak driver support, applications crashing that don&#8217;t on XP or OS X, and lots of file system issues, including performance problems and data corruption. It&#8217;s no wonder that today news broke that Microsoft had to generate more XP product keys due to steady demand for anything not Vista. Combine that with the Direct X 10.1 rumors that all that brand-new super-expensive Direct X 10.0 hardware won&#8217;t support all of 10.1&#8217;s features, and I think it&#8217;s safe to say Microsoft is pulling some pretty boneheaded moves lately.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be glad when I have my MacBook Pro and will be (mostly) done with this OS :)</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 05:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@marshall - hehe, it's crossed my mind ;-)

@Tony - yep, Windows 2000 - come on man, it's only 7 years old! My OS was 7 years old, but my hardware is only about 3.

@TJ - I'd say considering they're the ones selling and coding the software that it actually does have a fair bit to do with them. Hindsight's a wonderful thing and I'd definitely take a different tack with my research if I was starting the process over again. I can asure you that not a single puchase gets made without copious amounts of time frittered away looking at every angle and every conceivable pro and con. Obviously in this case, googling "a7n8x vista drivers" may have helped somewhat, but the fact remains I am not ready to upgrade my rig just yet (and there's a few reasons for this, money, travel later in the year). I am hoping that some of the drivers that are no longer maintained will get a once only update for Vista - there are a LOT of people out there whinging and moaning on Nvidia's and Logitechs forums asking for support... let's hope the company's are listening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@marshall - hehe, it&#8217;s crossed my mind ;-)</p>
<p>@Tony - yep, Windows 2000 - come on man, it&#8217;s only 7 years old! My OS was 7 years old, but my hardware is only about 3.</p>
<p>@TJ - I&#8217;d say considering they&#8217;re the ones selling and coding the software that it actually does have a fair bit to do with them. Hindsight&#8217;s a wonderful thing and I&#8217;d definitely take a different tack with my research if I was starting the process over again. I can asure you that not a single puchase gets made without copious amounts of time frittered away looking at every angle and every conceivable pro and con. Obviously in this case, googling &#8220;a7n8x vista drivers&#8221; may have helped somewhat, but the fact remains I am not ready to upgrade my rig just yet (and there&#8217;s a few reasons for this, money, travel later in the year). I am hoping that some of the drivers that are no longer maintained will get a once only update for Vista - there are a LOT of people out there whinging and moaning on Nvidia&#8217;s and Logitechs forums asking for support&#8230; let&#8217;s hope the company&#8217;s are listening.</p>
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